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kjb
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 Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 8:40 am Post subject: black peg box what to use |
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| if you want to blacken the peg box what do you use? thanks. |
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Michael Darnton
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Since it's not traditional, you can use what you want. I guess black oil paint would be easy enough, and neater than some other things. You want to avoid things like ink that will bleed through the wood and spread where you don't want them.
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Chet Bishop
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Where did the practice come from? I know I have seen it-- was that something out of Germany, or what?
What is traditional? How did the Cremonese masters handle this detail?
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Michael Darnton
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I'm not sure it's in any tradition. Some French factory violins have it, I think. I don't think I've ever seen it on any "good" violin. In the shop right now I'm seeing it on a Gemunder and one modern violin. Most of the later Italians varnished the inside of the pegbox, but they didn't always finish the inside to the degree of the outside, so it looks both darker and rougher. It's hard to know, but I think the old guys just left it raw.
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pmccombs
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| Michael Darnton wrote: | | I'm not sure it's in any tradition. Some French factory violins have it, I think. I don't think I've ever seen it on any "good" violin. In the shop right now I'm seeing it on a Gemunder and one modern violin. Most of the later Italians varnished the inside of the pegbox, but they didn't always finish the inside to the degree of the outside, so it looks both darker and rougher. It's hard to know, but I think the old guys just left it raw. |
Do you leave yours raw? I varnished my first one, then was taught to use dark brown oil paint in the pegbox (and on the edges of the ff holes). |
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antonio
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| I saw edges of f holes painted in black on cheap violins, although it looks nice, I don't know what others think about that... |
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pmccombs
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| antonio wrote: | | I saw edges of f holes painted in black on cheap violins, although it looks nice, I don't know what others think about that... |
I like to paint mine. My disclaimer is that I make cheap violins, so in painting these areas, I might be compensating for amateur workmanship.
One of the uses of paint is to cover imperfections. The painted pegbox gives a neater finish to a rough area. I think that a painted f-hole tends to hide irregularities in plate thickness that would be better exposed if the edge were left bright. Over the years, I suppose these areas "paint themselves." |
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emv
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I like to use oil tube color mixed with a drop of varnish on glue sized wood. Both in the pegbox and soundhole edges. To me it looks clean and finished.
This contemporary maker won a bronze medal at the 2009 Triennale competition in Cremona with a pristine varnished instrument that has a blackened pegbox.
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