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kjb Super Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:30 am Post subject: finishing up a 16/5" viola grad questions |
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What are the recommended graduations for a viola, 16.5" ?
thanks for any help on this. k |
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Michael Darnton Moderator
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kjb Super Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 11:11 am Post subject: |
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violinarius Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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| In Sacconi's Book, I think he gives a viola top as being on average, about 0.1mm thicker, which is not very much. |
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actonern Super Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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Michael when you say "same as a violin,"
To be clear... your violin grads are Canon vs. Vioti, for example, looking on the thickish side?
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Michael Darnton Moderator
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Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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I knew that question would come up. The answer is---what are you trying to accomplish?
Basically, a viola has no more string tension than a violin. So whatever you're tyring to accomplish, it will be like a violin. If you're trying to make a Cannone viola, then make it heavy. If you're trying to make a thin Stradish viola, make it thin. One size does not fit all. _________________ new blog at my site! http://darntonviolins.com/blog
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actonern Super Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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"...The answer is---what are you trying to accomplish?..."
Indeed...
One of the frustrating things about violin making is the lag time between experiment and feedback...
Unlike the slider bars in photoshop, for example, where you can see in real time the difference between contrast settings, color saturation and other controls, violins are, thus far, "slider bar" proof.
So the learning curve is lengthy!
I'm still not clear, for example, what the general difference is in sound between thinly vs. thicker graduated plates. I have a sense that thicker is more demanding in terms of contact point on "the Kreisler highway" as my son's violin teacher calls the bowing area over the bridge. And that thicker plates have more "cushion" for hard bowing before the instrument chokes.
But thin? Never have gone there... don't know the advantages of that sound.
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John Masters Junior Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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| actonern wrote: | "...The answer is---what are you trying to accomplish?..."
Indeed...
One of the frustrating things about violin making is the lag time between experiment and feedback...
Unlike the slider bars in photoshop, for example, where you can see in real time the difference between contrast settings, color saturation and other controls, violins are, thus far, "slider bar" proof.
So the learning curve is lengthy!
I'm still not clear, for example, what the general difference is in sound between thinly vs. thicker graduated plates. I have a sense that thicker is more demanding in terms of contact point on "the Kreisler highway" as my son's violin teacher calls the bowing area over the bridge. And that thicker plates have more "cushion" for hard bowing before the instrument chokes.
But thin? Never have gone there... don't know the advantages of that sound.
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I seem to have been most lucky selling violas. I find that the best M-5 tap tone is usually about a third lower than whatever you like for violin. For me, violin is an F viola perhaps a C. Lower than these give (for me) a bit less bite than I like. Then a slight taper toward the edges. |
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Michael Darnton Moderator
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jacobyfineviolins Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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John, my notebook agrees with you on the M5. And Michael, at the most on a viola top, I am two tenths thicker than my violin tops. _________________ I could have carved a scroll by now.
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