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Paul Cormier
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:50 pm    Post subject: varnishing Reply with quote

I just got some oil pigment, mixed on a piece of glass to the color I wanted, mixed it into clear varnish, and applied my coat of color. It is not very brown, in fact , it's pretty pale. What next? I don't want to blow this.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Next, you Keep Calm and Carry On.
If it's not dark enough, or brown enough, apply some more. Don't let it get too thick on the glass plate.
You can't blow it, man. You can always get a can of CitriStrip and start over from the sealer. So read up on materials and methods, be careful with drying time, and put some more varnish on that sucker.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They look even better the second and third time! CitriStrip + varnish slurry was probably the secret of the elusive Cremonese ground!
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smile
I'm afraid I have to agree.
Something rather wonderful happens because of citristrip. Wish I knew exactly what was going on there. Hope it doesn't hurt anything...doesn't seem to, though.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ha! I thought I was the only heretic...
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys, Now it I fail I can blame it on you! Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, no: your failure is your own. If you succeed, you can credit us, though.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always stripped with alcohol or turpentine on a rag... never used "citristrip."

Does it work well?

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I actually used acetone and green kitchen pads. Most of the folks in my summer workshop are CitriStrip fans, though.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul Cormier wrote:
Thanks guys, Now it I fail I can blame it on you! Wink


Yes, once you get used to varnishing - it seems like it's fairly difficult to really mess things up permanently.

If you do seal the body with a sealer first, so that the oil varnish doesn't soak directly into the wood surface, it makes things work out well for revarnishing - much easier.

Also, you can go as dark as you'd like with the varnish color, because you can always get lighter by sanding or rubbing down the surface of the varnish withpumice or rubbing compound, to the desired coloration or thickness.

Just don't forget; a good sealer before the oil varnish. Personally, I like to use shellac. In fact - you can start out coloring the base coat itself, if you like the colored shellacs. If not go blond. I'd recommend flake and not canned if you use a shellac base coat. And try it out on a blank piece first to see if you like it.

If you're not a shellac person, forget I said anything...



Ahhh, I love varnishing!
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't elieve the support. I have put ithe violin up for drying . I'm going to have a beer. Thanks folks . I'll report back
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know why but I've been nervous about using citrus strip. However, the method I use probably makes people cringe. I use 0000 steel wool. A local guitar luthier suggested it to me. It involves a fair amount of "elbow grease" but can tell when I go through the color layer so I don't have to go any further. Then I put another clear coat on and resume my work. I know there seems to be a stigma associated with steel wool but it has worked well for me.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 6:52 am    Post subject: Pigments Reply with quote

Please keep in mind that if you're using only pigments, and not transparent colored varnish, you may end up with kind of a muddy, semi-opaque finish.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

you might look into (if you already don't have one) a drying box, you can put one together pretty cheaply with a garbage can and black lights.
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